I took odds on Jeremy Hunt as next Tory leader at 50/1 six months ago.
His appointment as Foreign Secretary has brought them down to 12/1.
Still tasty odds for an outside punt.
He’s a Remainer who is now a Leaver who has played an immaculate game of being invisible while the carnage goes on around him and is now in one of the most powerful jobs in government.
One to watch.
fascinating comment. but just to place it in some context- you’ve been sadly wrong about everything over the past two years
Ollie Cromwell
I dunno.
I’ve been calling you a cretin for months and have yet to be proved wrong.
Brother Barnabas
something about my mother perhaps?
Yep
Is today the day BB? Just acknowledge the incorrect labelling.
Ignoring me doesn’t make you right. You understand that yes?
Papi
Not sadly wrong, the fool is delighted, cos it’s Engurlish wrong, by jove, the best kind of wrong!
New world colony, time for you to take the knee, Salmons.
petey
i can almost see the tears streaming down the telegraph’s front page.
Nullzero
Not to worry, it’s coming home, it’s coming home, it’s coming, stark reality’s coming home.
Cualu's Hound - the hurler formerly known as Sétanata
Mr Cromwell, you do realise you put me out of a job, don’t you?
Disgruntled from D4
‘Anarchy in UK politccs threathens Brexit’ – IRISH EXAMINER
Who writes this stuff?
– Frankie Boyle’s rejected scriptwriters?
terry
All to destabilise the UK
Can you imagine if the UK backs out of brexit by holding another referendum?
The deal they would get would be as bad as before even worse.
Europe has not reformed and will not.
Its no turning back.
Our leaders need to look at our needs not play ball with the EU and find we are totally shafted yet again
ReproBertie
The only ones destabilising the UK are the idiots demanding a hard Sasamach at all costs.
The EU is 100% in Ireland’s corner because Ireland is the EU and, as far as the EU is concerned, the interests of a member state rank well above those of a non-member which the UK is trying to become.
terry
Meanwhile as the damage id being done its also going to be done to us
Remember Bertie a hard border will reduce our economy to junk status
And as Leo pushes the agenda to be on the UN security council brexit is being neglected by our leadership who look like they think they have a promise
Just look back to the crash and remember the misery the EU put on us
For that’s all we will get
ReproBertie
A soft border is enshrined in the back stop and even if a hard border came in, while it would impact on our economy, it certainly wouldn’t reduce it to junk status so spare us the constant doom.
The government is far from neglecting Sasamach. The government’s preparations are streets ahead of those of the UK which is why they were able to show the representatives of other EU states how important a soft border is for Ireland while the UK were still trying to figure out what Sasamach meant. They are constantly talking about preparations for all possible outcomes. Maybe follow your own advice and google it.
terry
enshrined in the GFA
But Britain is out and a border must exist between northern Ireland and the republic to control who gets into the UK
When the GFA was made the UK was in Europe
Its all changed now Bertie
A nation must secure its borders
ReproBertie
A) Britain is not out yet. Even if they do actually leave it’s heading for a baby soft Sasamach.
B) Sasamachs have repeatedly tried to turn control of the border over to the EU, demanding that the EU solve the issue. They clearly don’t care how.
C) The backstop puts the border in the Irish Sea.
D) As Bojo was keen to stress, Britain is leaving the EU, not Europe
E) Preserving the international treaty that is the GFA is one of Ireland’s, and therefore the EU’s, aims in the Sasamach negotiations.
terry
Are they really
The EU is opposed to anything that the UK will come up with
The language and posturing gives it away
They do not want the UK to have a zero tariff trade deal or any trappings of membership
Its becoming clearer and clearer
And Bertie 100%in Ireland corner great but sadly as the EU screw the UK Ireland will suffer indirectly
Then look at the EU
On the edge of fragmentation regarding the migrants
And what happens if the EU disintegrates?
But you have no answers do you bertie
ReproBertie
Of course they don’t want to give the UK tariff free trade or the trappings of membership. If you can get the benefits of membership without being a member then what’s the point of membership? That refusal has been clear from day one but instead of accepting the reality the Sasamach side have been going on about the EU bullying them and demanding concessions and insisting they’ll pay nothing while the EU have held fast knowing the EU holds all the cards. It finally dawned on more of the Sasamach side this weekend and David and Boris ran for the hills.
The EU is not on the edge of fragmentation but you’ve never let reality get in the way of your doom saying so why start now?
Catherine costelloe
I actually feel the Brexit campaigners have valid points. Take that the shooting of 85 kids in Norway in 2011. The Brevit killer hunted the kids , from hiding behind rocks to attempting to swim to safely .
Once he got a life sentence the European Court of justice awarded him thousands of euro because the chair in his cell wasn’t comfortable enough for him. He got more compo because the TV screen in his cell wasn’t large enough. Give the sick ******* a lethal injection . Lunatics running the asylum. A lot wrong in EEC .
The Hosepipe Resistance
The EEC? What age are you and what age are you living in?
Norway is not in the EU. It was a local Oslo court that found that Breivik’s treatment violated article 3 of the
European Convention on Human Rights.
More to the point, Norwegians are happy with the verdict and the murderer is still in jail. It’s a Norwegian matter, not a Brit one.
Eh
Norway did not join the EU because they were firstly concerned about their national resources
Mainly oil gas etc
They also were concerned about control of their borders and when the crash happened finally finished off any hope of joining the EU as they watched how members screwed other members
Finally Norwegians are not happy with the manner that Nazi pig is living
They would prefer him being tortured till he died for what he did
Google what the citizens think
ReproBertie
“Norwegians are not happy with the manner that Nazi pig is living
They would prefer him being tortured till he died for what he did”
You have links to back this up, right david? Or did some passing Norwegian tourists interrupt your conversation with yanks praising Trump to tell you?
Catherine Wheel
@ Elvis’s sister;
Some people might slag you for not being able to spell your name properly.
Some people might slag you for not being able to articulate your point.
(Some people might say you never had a point to begin with.)
Some people might slag you for not being able to distinguish the difference between Brexit and Brevit.
Some people might slag you for your promotion of the Death penalty.
Don’t listen to them.
We need people like you.
Catherine costelloe
Thank you kindly.
Papi
*Breivik.
Rob_G
What the fupp has Norwegian nutter going on a spree in Norway have anything got to do with either Brexit or the EU?
Yep
Killary
Spaghetti Hoop
1. Mr. Breivik’s actions and motives have been examined. They bear no relevance to Britain’s exit out of the EU. The referendum was five years after the event.
2. Norway does not practice the death penalty for murder crimes. Norway is not in the EU, so Mr. Breivik’s fate and his punishment is not one for the Union to decide.
3. The European Economic Community, predominantly a trading community, was replaced by the European Community in 1993 and is now known as the European Union.
But don’t let the facts get in the way!
Catherine costelloe
As Theresa Mai said in 2016 “If we want to reform human rights law in this country , it isn’t the EU we should leave but the European Court of Human Rights and the jurisdiction of its Court “. Should we let the ECHR decide if a Polish national wanted on a European arrest warrant living in Ireland , be returned for trial to Poland or Charlie Flanagan? On major drug supplying charges? I say 100% it’s our jurisdiction , send him back, let the ECHR attend the trial if they are that concerned and address it with Polish Minister of Justice. I assume EEC give substantial aid to ECHR.
jibjob
What happens when there is an Irish national (say a Dublin gangster) living in Spain, who has allegedly murdered in Ireland? Wouldn’t you want them brought to justice in Ireland?
Same rules.
By the way, this is not an ECHR thing, but never mind.
EU: 28 countries, with an expectation to go down to 27.
ECHR covers 47 countries.
Rob_G
Whatever you do, don’t let the facts get in the way of your rant, Catherine.
Trumpty Dumpty
F Britain.
Look at the state of America.
No, seriously….
It’s no wonder why all the rats are jumping ship the week before his orange ship* arrives in port.
I’m only messin’…
Everybody knows what’s happening.
*misspelling.. I meant to say ‘s*it’, but you knew that…
SOQ
Obvious typo on both the front pages of The Torygragh and The Express, they should read:
BREXIT NIGHTMARE IS DYING.
Your’e welcome.
Ollie Cromwell
Keep your powder dry lads – there’s a long way to go yet.
Hard Brexit is still very much in play.
Think of this week as the amuse bouche before the real shenanigans in October.
SOQ
There is a view in Ireland that a hard Brexit is preferable because there is no way on God’s earth the people will allow a physical border and that in turn will fast track the unification process.
Ollie Cromwell
Except there is no appetite north or south of the border for unification.
Ireland couldn’t afford the £10billion which GB pumps into NI annually and even a majority of Catholics in the North prefer the situation to remain the same.
ReproBertie
Latest polls in NI show 44% in favour of a United Ireland and 47% in favour of remaining in the UK. Throw a hard border in there for 6 months and we’ll see how those figures change.
It doesn’t matter though. May’s 3rd way will be rejected by the EU as they’ve already rejected major elements of it in the past and we’re back to the backstop of the border in the Irish Sea. If May goes and an election is called the DUP lose their hold over the Tories. Sasamach and British incompetence will do more to help reunite Ireland than the IRA ever managed.
Brother Barnabas
how many in the republic are in favour, though, Bertie?
Ollie Cromwell
Precisely.
And I take back what I said about you being a cretin.
An idiot savant more like.
ReproBertie
The latest figures I can find are from an opinion poll in December which showed 47% in favour even if it cost the government €9bn per year. (32% against, 22% don’t know)
Give a hard border time to cut into industry and day to day living and that number will rise.
Rob_G
@Bertie –
It’s all well and good when you are being surveyed on an abstract idea that might happen in the distant future; when every taxpayer in the country if faced with paying an extra €4k in income tax, I imagine those figures might change a bit.
SOQ
The chaos caused by the reintroduction of a border in Ireland will see Republicans, nationalists and even some unionists join together in an alliance, the likes of which has never been seen before.
It will be an awakening of historic proportions.
terry
I doubt it
Just wishful thinking in a time of desperation
I would say if there is no agreement the GFA is in serious danger and Sinn feinn and their opposites will return to the bomb and the bullet
But Leo and Simon have not thought this one out as they are led down the road like compliant children by the EU
Meanwhile Leo eyes up a seat on the UN security council instead of hot footing it to ensure Ireland interests are paramount
ReproBertie
Wrong as usual. The Irish government have had numerous meetings with the security services and civil servants on both side of the border to discuss policing of a possible hard border and the probability of a resurgent Republican terrorist movement.
Repeating your nonsense about Leo not pushing Ireland’s interests doesn’t make it any less of a lie. The EU is pushing a soft border precisely because the Irish government explained the importance of cross border trade to the EU. You know this but admitting it means admitting that you are wrong about the government working to protect Ireland’s interests in the face of Sasamach.
Formerly known as @ireland.com
A united Ireland won’t need as much as the Brits need. Our European comrades will assist – they will only be too happy to ensure a successful dismantling of the Unwanted Kingdom. How long before Scotland decides to leave the nutty English to themselves?
I took odds on Jeremy Hunt as next Tory leader at 50/1 six months ago.
His appointment as Foreign Secretary has brought them down to 12/1.
Still tasty odds for an outside punt.
He’s a Remainer who is now a Leaver who has played an immaculate game of being invisible while the carnage goes on around him and is now in one of the most powerful jobs in government.
One to watch.
https://youtu.be/EmYwBHooA_M
fascinating comment. but just to place it in some context- you’ve been sadly wrong about everything over the past two years
I dunno.
I’ve been calling you a cretin for months and have yet to be proved wrong.
something about my mother perhaps?
Is today the day BB? Just acknowledge the incorrect labelling.
Ignoring me doesn’t make you right. You understand that yes?
Not sadly wrong, the fool is delighted, cos it’s Engurlish wrong, by jove, the best kind of wrong!
New world colony, time for you to take the knee, Salmons.
i can almost see the tears streaming down the telegraph’s front page.
Not to worry, it’s coming home, it’s coming home, it’s coming, stark reality’s coming home.
Mr Cromwell, you do realise you put me out of a job, don’t you?
‘Anarchy in UK politccs threathens Brexit’ – IRISH EXAMINER
Who writes this stuff?
– Frankie Boyle’s rejected scriptwriters?
All to destabilise the UK
Can you imagine if the UK backs out of brexit by holding another referendum?
The deal they would get would be as bad as before even worse.
Europe has not reformed and will not.
Its no turning back.
Our leaders need to look at our needs not play ball with the EU and find we are totally shafted yet again
The only ones destabilising the UK are the idiots demanding a hard Sasamach at all costs.
The EU is 100% in Ireland’s corner because Ireland is the EU and, as far as the EU is concerned, the interests of a member state rank well above those of a non-member which the UK is trying to become.
Meanwhile as the damage id being done its also going to be done to us
Remember Bertie a hard border will reduce our economy to junk status
And as Leo pushes the agenda to be on the UN security council brexit is being neglected by our leadership who look like they think they have a promise
Just look back to the crash and remember the misery the EU put on us
For that’s all we will get
A soft border is enshrined in the back stop and even if a hard border came in, while it would impact on our economy, it certainly wouldn’t reduce it to junk status so spare us the constant doom.
The government is far from neglecting Sasamach. The government’s preparations are streets ahead of those of the UK which is why they were able to show the representatives of other EU states how important a soft border is for Ireland while the UK were still trying to figure out what Sasamach meant. They are constantly talking about preparations for all possible outcomes. Maybe follow your own advice and google it.
enshrined in the GFA
But Britain is out and a border must exist between northern Ireland and the republic to control who gets into the UK
When the GFA was made the UK was in Europe
Its all changed now Bertie
A nation must secure its borders
A) Britain is not out yet. Even if they do actually leave it’s heading for a baby soft Sasamach.
B) Sasamachs have repeatedly tried to turn control of the border over to the EU, demanding that the EU solve the issue. They clearly don’t care how.
C) The backstop puts the border in the Irish Sea.
D) As Bojo was keen to stress, Britain is leaving the EU, not Europe
E) Preserving the international treaty that is the GFA is one of Ireland’s, and therefore the EU’s, aims in the Sasamach negotiations.
Are they really
The EU is opposed to anything that the UK will come up with
The language and posturing gives it away
They do not want the UK to have a zero tariff trade deal or any trappings of membership
Its becoming clearer and clearer
And Bertie 100%in Ireland corner great but sadly as the EU screw the UK Ireland will suffer indirectly
Then look at the EU
On the edge of fragmentation regarding the migrants
And what happens if the EU disintegrates?
But you have no answers do you bertie
Of course they don’t want to give the UK tariff free trade or the trappings of membership. If you can get the benefits of membership without being a member then what’s the point of membership? That refusal has been clear from day one but instead of accepting the reality the Sasamach side have been going on about the EU bullying them and demanding concessions and insisting they’ll pay nothing while the EU have held fast knowing the EU holds all the cards. It finally dawned on more of the Sasamach side this weekend and David and Boris ran for the hills.
The EU is not on the edge of fragmentation but you’ve never let reality get in the way of your doom saying so why start now?
I actually feel the Brexit campaigners have valid points. Take that the shooting of 85 kids in Norway in 2011. The Brevit killer hunted the kids , from hiding behind rocks to attempting to swim to safely .
Once he got a life sentence the European Court of justice awarded him thousands of euro because the chair in his cell wasn’t comfortable enough for him. He got more compo because the TV screen in his cell wasn’t large enough. Give the sick ******* a lethal injection . Lunatics running the asylum. A lot wrong in EEC .
The EEC? What age are you and what age are you living in?
Norway is not in the EU. It was a local Oslo court that found that Breivik’s treatment violated article 3 of the
European Convention on Human Rights.
More to the point, Norwegians are happy with the verdict and the murderer is still in jail. It’s a Norwegian matter, not a Brit one.
http://world.time.com/2012/08/27/why-norway-is-satisfied-with-breiviks-sentence/
Not the brightest Brit around, eh Catherine?
Eh
Norway did not join the EU because they were firstly concerned about their national resources
Mainly oil gas etc
They also were concerned about control of their borders and when the crash happened finally finished off any hope of joining the EU as they watched how members screwed other members
Finally Norwegians are not happy with the manner that Nazi pig is living
They would prefer him being tortured till he died for what he did
Google what the citizens think
“Norwegians are not happy with the manner that Nazi pig is living
They would prefer him being tortured till he died for what he did”
You have links to back this up, right david? Or did some passing Norwegian tourists interrupt your conversation with yanks praising Trump to tell you?
@ Elvis’s sister;
Some people might slag you for not being able to spell your name properly.
Some people might slag you for not being able to articulate your point.
(Some people might say you never had a point to begin with.)
Some people might slag you for not being able to distinguish the difference between Brexit and Brevit.
Some people might slag you for your promotion of the Death penalty.
Don’t listen to them.
We need people like you.
Thank you kindly.
*Breivik.
What the fupp has Norwegian nutter going on a spree in Norway have anything got to do with either Brexit or the EU?
Killary
1. Mr. Breivik’s actions and motives have been examined. They bear no relevance to Britain’s exit out of the EU. The referendum was five years after the event.
2. Norway does not practice the death penalty for murder crimes. Norway is not in the EU, so Mr. Breivik’s fate and his punishment is not one for the Union to decide.
3. The European Economic Community, predominantly a trading community, was replaced by the European Community in 1993 and is now known as the European Union.
But don’t let the facts get in the way!
As Theresa Mai said in 2016 “If we want to reform human rights law in this country , it isn’t the EU we should leave but the European Court of Human Rights and the jurisdiction of its Court “. Should we let the ECHR decide if a Polish national wanted on a European arrest warrant living in Ireland , be returned for trial to Poland or Charlie Flanagan? On major drug supplying charges? I say 100% it’s our jurisdiction , send him back, let the ECHR attend the trial if they are that concerned and address it with Polish Minister of Justice. I assume EEC give substantial aid to ECHR.
What happens when there is an Irish national (say a Dublin gangster) living in Spain, who has allegedly murdered in Ireland? Wouldn’t you want them brought to justice in Ireland?
Same rules.
By the way, this is not an ECHR thing, but never mind.
EU: 28 countries, with an expectation to go down to 27.
ECHR covers 47 countries.
Whatever you do, don’t let the facts get in the way of your rant, Catherine.
F Britain.
Look at the state of America.
No, seriously….
It’s no wonder why all the rats are jumping ship the week before his orange ship* arrives in port.
I’m only messin’…
Everybody knows what’s happening.
*misspelling.. I meant to say ‘s*it’, but you knew that…
Obvious typo on both the front pages of The Torygragh and The Express, they should read:
BREXIT NIGHTMARE IS DYING.
Your’e welcome.
Keep your powder dry lads – there’s a long way to go yet.
Hard Brexit is still very much in play.
Think of this week as the amuse bouche before the real shenanigans in October.
There is a view in Ireland that a hard Brexit is preferable because there is no way on God’s earth the people will allow a physical border and that in turn will fast track the unification process.
Except there is no appetite north or south of the border for unification.
Ireland couldn’t afford the £10billion which GB pumps into NI annually and even a majority of Catholics in the North prefer the situation to remain the same.
Latest polls in NI show 44% in favour of a United Ireland and 47% in favour of remaining in the UK. Throw a hard border in there for 6 months and we’ll see how those figures change.
It doesn’t matter though. May’s 3rd way will be rejected by the EU as they’ve already rejected major elements of it in the past and we’re back to the backstop of the border in the Irish Sea. If May goes and an election is called the DUP lose their hold over the Tories. Sasamach and British incompetence will do more to help reunite Ireland than the IRA ever managed.
how many in the republic are in favour, though, Bertie?
Precisely.
And I take back what I said about you being a cretin.
An idiot savant more like.
The latest figures I can find are from an opinion poll in December which showed 47% in favour even if it cost the government €9bn per year. (32% against, 22% don’t know)
Give a hard border time to cut into industry and day to day living and that number will rise.
@Bertie –
It’s all well and good when you are being surveyed on an abstract idea that might happen in the distant future; when every taxpayer in the country if faced with paying an extra €4k in income tax, I imagine those figures might change a bit.
The chaos caused by the reintroduction of a border in Ireland will see Republicans, nationalists and even some unionists join together in an alliance, the likes of which has never been seen before.
It will be an awakening of historic proportions.
I doubt it
Just wishful thinking in a time of desperation
I would say if there is no agreement the GFA is in serious danger and Sinn feinn and their opposites will return to the bomb and the bullet
But Leo and Simon have not thought this one out as they are led down the road like compliant children by the EU
Meanwhile Leo eyes up a seat on the UN security council instead of hot footing it to ensure Ireland interests are paramount
Wrong as usual. The Irish government have had numerous meetings with the security services and civil servants on both side of the border to discuss policing of a possible hard border and the probability of a resurgent Republican terrorist movement.
Repeating your nonsense about Leo not pushing Ireland’s interests doesn’t make it any less of a lie. The EU is pushing a soft border precisely because the Irish government explained the importance of cross border trade to the EU. You know this but admitting it means admitting that you are wrong about the government working to protect Ireland’s interests in the face of Sasamach.
A united Ireland won’t need as much as the Brits need. Our European comrades will assist – they will only be too happy to ensure a successful dismantling of the Unwanted Kingdom. How long before Scotland decides to leave the nutty English to themselves?
Like they did stirring up the Kiev coup?
https://youtu.be/uWD5Y-TOOyU
Everybody, sing along “Three lions on the shelf!!”