37 thoughts on “De Wednesday Papers

  1. Shayna

    The DUPs, not The DUBs have changed sides? How could the DUBs change sides? They win everything, (Tyrone always give them a run for their money) there’s lots of money being pumped in by all sorts of corporate sponsorship deals from everywhere – so why leave, or change sides?
    Of course I’m talking about Brexit and the withdrawal of the DUP’s support of the British PM’s proposal for the execution of said. Interestingly, the DUP are supposedly Loyalist, loyal, it would appear their loyalty is similar to that of a cat.
    I mention an animal – Arlene Foster withdrew funding of An Liofa (Funding Irish Language) – it was apparently feeding a crocodile.That was £40,000 per year, whilst she was in control of industry – she wasted £8,000,000 on RHI (Re-usable Heat Initiative).
    Anyhoos, it doesn’t matter. I think that Brexit negotiations won’t involve the majority of the types who voted to remain – The North of Ireland, Scotland, Wales – London voted 99% to remain. If this is democracy then, (I know I’m paraphrasing – Ian Hislop) I’m a banana.

    1. Ollie Cromwell

      Except that Wales voted to Leave ( 52.5% – 47.5% ) and the Remain vote across all London boroughs was only 59.9%, far less than the massive majority that is often reported.
      Obviously the most important vote was nationwide with a clear majority (51.9% – 48.1%).
      What you’re witnessing now is certain sections of Parliament attempting to overturn the result of that vote.
      Fascinating stuff for all devotees of politics.
      May to be gone before Christmas although I could be wrong.

      1. bisted

        …you could certainly be wrong Ollie…in fact you have been consistently wrong…you are starting to look like Hislop’s banana…

        1. Ollie Cromwell

          In what way have I been consistently wrong ?
          I have always said my preferred option is a No Deal Brexit but that I expected some form of compromise solution.
          Nothing has happened yet to prove me wrong.
          But have a go anyway.
          And try to be serious about it.
          You know you can.

          1. bisted

            …as I’ve said several times before, I’m on the same side as you…but for different reasons. I live in a border area and Brexit will present huge opportunities…the harder the better. Trouble is, the chance of no-deal evaporated last night and there will be some kind of fudge. The democratic deficit so evident here looks set to gain control in your ‘mother of parliaments’ and the wishes of UK electorate ignored…

  2. Ollie Cromwell

    PI don’t think anyone is sure how this will pan out but it’s worth bearing in mind that while MPs are now more able to dictate negotiations than they were before yesterday they’re no nearer to stopping Brexit.
    To do that it needs a Government to bring in an Act to reverse Article 50 and/or hold a 2nd Referendum all within 15 weeks.
    There may even be a leadership contest before then ( don’t forget I told you to put money in Jeremy Hunt as a compromise candidate ).
    There are also a lot of MPs in marginal seats,especially in Northern Labour Leave constituencies,who would fear for their future in the next GE if they block Brexit.
    I still think some compromise will be cobbled together before March 29th.
    More interestingly Nigel Farage has quit UKIP.
    He hasn’t gone away you know.

      1. bisted

        …the price of a pint has risen inexorably…brexit is probably one of the few understandable reasons why…the usual publican greed will be added…

        1. ReproBertie

          From that link – “130 million glass bottles are imported from the UK every year. Obviously if tariffs were introduced that would bring an extra cost”

          50c deposit on glass bottles and some sort of bottle washing plant maybe?

          1. scottser

            in my head, there shouldn’t be individual bottles sold of any beverage. we should be refilling our own containers in supermarkets and off licences to keep the costs down.

  3. SOQ

    First government ever to held in contempt of parliament so. Ambulances on standby outside HP today once full legal advice is published I expect. Better than Fair City this. That wouldn’t be hard, but anyways.

    1. Eoin

      11.30am today, it will be published.

      Except it will be abridged or contain redactions to remove references to the Cabinet. And then, there’ll be another vote which Theresa May will lose. How is she still standing at this stage? Oh right, the alternatives.

  4. Eoin

    So the senior Garda in Longford “inadvertently shoot another man” says the Daily Mail (are people still buying that paper after the revelations in the Disclosures Tribunal?)

    “inadvertently”? without intention; accidentally?

    Looked pretty damned intentional to me.

    1. Hansel

      The mental element for murder is laid down by section 4 of the Criminal Justice Act 1964, which provides:
      “4(1) Where a person kills another unlawfully the killing shall not be murder unless the accused person intended to kill, or cause serious injury to, some person, whether the person actually killed or not.
      (2) The accused person shall be presumed to have intended the natural and probable consequences of his conduct; but this presumption may be rebutted.”

      By virtue of section 4(2) the test of intention is subjective.

      Charleton states:
      “Intent necessarily involves a conscious choice to bring about a particular state of affairs. If one consciously chooses not to bring about a state of affairs one cannot intend it. In all but the rarest circumstances choosing to do something will mean that one also actively desires it. That rare exception may occur where the desire of the accused is to bring about a result knowing, albeit
      with regret, that another consequence will, in the ordinary course of events, follow from it or necessarily involve it. That state of mind is nonetheless intent.”2

      So the questions are:
      Does the Garda with firearm training know very well about the consequences of a ricochet?
      And did the Garda intend to kill or cause serious injury to some person?

      Because according to Charleston above….from my reading of it anyway….it’s potentially not good for the Garda.

  5. Eoin

    Still no reporting in Irish media of Deripaska (Russian owner of Limerick refinery which employs 450 directly) court case in London. Yesterday, we got this gem from a representative of Deripaska who was responding to allegations that Deripaska took over a development site in Moscow with armed men.

    “Stanislav Karabut, a representative for Deripaska, who was on the site during the night of the operation, had a different interpretation of the events.

    “There was no altercation, no scuffle,” Karabut said Tuesday. The factory guard suddenly sat down and the Deripaska security team wanted simply to carry him out “to the fresh air,” he said. His team “carried out all the action to aid him,” Karabut said.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-04/deripaska-guards-shown-forcing-man-to-floor-on-moscow-cctv

      1. Eoin

        Willing to believe you Clampers, but it didn’t make it online according to Google. Nor was it on the business report on Morning Ireland. I understand it wasn’t on News at One. Would very much doubt that RTE’s London correspondent managed to cover it, even though it’s just a mile up from the House of Commons. It wasn’t covered last week when the hearing started.

    1. Cú Chulainn

      Meanwhile, the family that bring everything in, sail along untouched and virtually unnoticed..

  6. Starina

    Shame on the Examiner with that very misleading abortion pills headline. 3/4 into the article they clarify that no misoprostil was found in her system.

  7. Ollie Cromwell

    Jaysus,it looks likes sexual perversion was more widespread in the RA than first thought.
    The dirty b@stard.

    Freddie Scappaticci, the man widely named as the Army’s IRA informer ‘Stakeknife’, has pleaded guilty at Westminster Magistrates’ Court to two charges of possessing extreme pornographic images.

    The court heard the charges related to at least 329 images, including some involving animals.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/05/man-widely-named-stakeknife-armys-ira-informer-guilty-extreme/

  8. Ollie Cromwell

    ” Magistrate Emma Arbuthnot sentenced Scappaticci, 72, to three months in custody, suspended for 12 months.

    She said: “You have not been before the court for 50 years … ”

    Heh,heh,heh.

  9. ReproBertie

    “Legal advice on the [Sasamach] deal, published reluctantly on Wednesday after MPs found the British government in contempt of parliament, warns the terms of the Irish backstop could trap the UK in “protracted and repeated rounds of negotiations” in the years ahead.” – https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/brexit-legal-advice-warns-of-uk-trapped-in-talks-by-irish-backstop-1.3720988

    Looks like they’ll be dancing to our tune for quite some time.

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